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I feel like what I'm trying to say is that I'm asking if tulpas and hosts share a subconscious, but have a different way of interpreting and mediating the needs of said subconscious that makes them ultimately a separate person and identity.

@Mozzarella Supreme 🧀 - jump I think that's a fair question--for me, I can see the emotions blank is feeling, but I don't always feel them myself

Mozzarella Supreme 🧀

I feel like what I'm trying to say is that I'm asking if tulpas and hosts share a subconscious, but have a different way of interpreting and mediating the needs of said subconscious that makes them ultimately a separate person and identity. (edited)

I feel that we share a subconscious but have different ways of interpreting it yes

So yeah, if there's a source for those emotions you could call a subconscious, I'd say that's an accurate way of looking at it

blanka

I feel like what I'm trying to say is that I'm asking if tulpas and hosts share a subconscious, but have a different way of interpreting and mediating the needs of said subconscious that makes them ultimately a separate person and identity.

@Mozzarella Supreme 🧀 - jump I think that's a fair question--for me, I can see the emotions blank is feeling, but I don't always feel them myself

The subconscious isn't just emotions, it is needs and urges expressed through emotions. It changes the way we act. We all react to certain similar stimuli differently and thusly it is expressed through different egos, expressions of any oneself differently (edited)

Mozzarella Supreme 🧀

I feel like what I'm trying to say is that I'm asking if tulpas and hosts share a subconscious, but have a different way of interpreting and mediating the needs of said subconscious that makes them ultimately a separate person and identity. (edited)

Sharing a body, we are necessarily affected by some of the same things, and subject to some of the same limitations. I think it's reasonable to consider anything outside of conscious control as shared.

Fair. I like to think of it as different lenses for the same underlying hardware--even if the same light is shining through (needs/urges/feelings/physical problems/etc), we interpret and react to it very differently

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10:59 PM

Like prisms that refract out different parts of the spectrum

10:59 PM

Or focus in on one color more intensely

Do tulpas and hosts share an id but have separate egos and superegos, or am I thinking about tuplas wrong?

@Mozzarella Supreme 🧀 - jump id ego superegos in freud's psychoanalysis was a framework, nowadays there are multiple frameworks that either do use something similar or not, and if they do they might do so under different names

I’ve heard some people say their tulpas seem more keyed into subconscious thoughts

consider it just a way of looking at some experience in your brain, a tool, rather than a description of reality

Luminesce: I simultaneously consider the id/ego/superego model 100 years outdated, and also regularly frame things in that model because it seems so useful lol (edited)

i know what you mean!

Don't treat it as fact, is all, because it's probably just not

Mozzarella Supreme 🧀

I feel like what I'm trying to say is that I'm asking if tulpas and hosts share a subconscious, but have a different way of interpreting and mediating the needs of said subconscious that makes them ultimately a separate person and identity. (edited)

Refrain to this refraising please

it can be useful sometimes to consider something

Milk

I’ve heard some people say their tulpas seem more keyed into subconscious thoughts

Blanka can often point out when certain things are happening that I'm not immediately consciously aware of

tulpamancy practice is exploiting that mechanism that makes it possible for you to be absorbed by a framework which dictates how you perceive your mind and manipulate it through that perception

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11:08 PM

some models make you consider part of the mind you are not aware of a "unconscious", or your "shadow", others "inner child" etc then there is some narrative that can help you, like for example integrating your shadow, or reparenting your inner child, or many many more because those methods work doesn't mean that the models describe anything "real", it just means that there is a process that makes it possible

brain placebos (real)

that also applies to plurality, and it doesn't matter if you identify as a did system, gateway system, tulpa system, daemon, or anything else

11:10 PM

just like you can see part of you mind as id/superego, you can see part of your mind as a tulpa

11:10 PM

and depending on what you expect from it, they will work differently

Hii Usually when I ask something to my tulpa I get short replies but sometimes when I ask about opinion and complicated questions I don't get replies. Is it natural?

maybe they don’t know how to respond

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if theyre young (in terms of how long theyve existed)/havent experienced much, they probably havent had time to formulate such opinions

If it’s a very young tulpa, yes, very normal

Luminesce: Developing vocality tends to entail learning to speak in clearer and more complex sentences, yes (edited)

3:41 PM

Responses usually start out short

Thanks

savedlatin

if theyre young (in terms of how long theyve existed)/havent experienced much, they probably havent had time to formulate such opinions

Is there anything that I can do to help her?

continue interacting with her, share experiences with her

just spending more time with her i think, take time to passive force and show her things irl, maybe speaking more on your opinions would help her to form her own. like talking about something and then asking "what do you think, [tulpa's name]?"

I looked through the frequently asked questions and such but I did not find what I was looking for—-it may be a mistake on my part, if that is so, I apologize (I also read a few guides and this was a topic. Evidently. That being said, I still need to ask) What are some tips for vocality?

I used to talk all in tulpish but I've been making an effort to talk in english these past few days

4:29 PM

If you're looking for vocality, your tulpa just has to start saying things, even if they send tulpish first

لمعرفة.

I looked through the frequently asked questions and such but I did not find what I was looking for—-it may be a mistake on my part, if that is so, I apologize (I also read a few guides and this was a topic. Evidently. That being said, I still need to ask) What are some tips for vocality?

Mostly just talking to them, leaving room for them to reply, and accepting what seems reasonable as an answer (don't be afraid of 'making it up' — if you think you're making it up, it's probably actually your tulpa!)

oh if they're in a pretty early stage, yeah, it's about striking up a conversation

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4:30 PM

Talk to them, wait for a response--give them a reasonable length of time, and remain focused on their reply

4:31 PM

If it comes through as abstract thought, that's cool--just ask them if they could repeat that in words afterwords

dont blank out your thoughts though when you're waiting for a response, you might get it but think its just your own thought and wait even longer for it

4:36 PM

its a lot like your own thought but not quite and you didnt make it deliberately

^ It might even 'sound' the same as your own thoughts, ie with the same voice, but that doesn't mean it's not your tulpa

Yeah--especially early on, figuring out what's your tulpa is kinda just you making the choice to "assign" it to the tulpa

blanka

If you're looking for vocality, your tulpa just has to start saying things, even if they send tulpish first

Is Tulpish similar to sending intent or something of the sort?

Tulpish is a catch-all phrase for "abstract thought"

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4:41 PM

Blanka will beam memes about cats at me rather than say "I'm feeling good today" in english

4:41 PM

that's tulpish

4:41 PM

she'll also explain musical concepts by sending a thought directly to me rather than say "A chord is a collection of notes at intervals"

Luminesce: Thoughts/feelings without vocal words (edited)

But I see, conversation. I do tend to…ramble I will say that. I know what his mind voice is or—-what I ‘assigned’ for now until he chooses what he wishes. My mind also tend to be muddled. I deal with a lot of brain fog, so it causes issues with conversation I presume—or mm…it is difficult for me to pay proper attention

blanka

she'll also explain musical concepts by sending a thought directly to me rather than say "A chord is a collection of notes at intervals"

Ah, I see

Reisen

Luminesce: Thoughts/feelings without vocal words (edited)

Mm… There is a limit to the…concepts I would be able to receive. As for emotions, I will have to clear a good path for him (meaning: I cannot recognize my own emotions if I do feel something. It has to be terribly intense for it to be recognized. That being said, I can practice mindfulness. Hence the “clearing the path”)

4:47 PM

But, if conversation in and of itself is what is first and foremost in terms of development, then I will continue with that. I appreciate all of your responses. Thank you.

Of course! Good luck

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Luminesce: Oh wait, you have aphantasia right? (edited)

This might be helpful and I can’t be bothered to write again https://discord.com/channels/431579755037589505/821731704112152576/1125644449633021962

Luminesce: To my knowledge, "tulpish" is all the "vocality" you'll have (edited)

4:57 PM

If you can't imagine voices in your head

4:58 PM

Which is fine, some systems even prefer just communicating in "tulpish"/thought-feeling-meaning

You can communicate with only raw thought just fine, it’s not restrictive to us.

4:58 PM

I don’t have aphantaisa just for the record

4:58 PM

But it’s still our primary form of communication because it’s just easier

I like communicating in tulpish but it really bites us in the ass when we want to socialize with other people

5:00 PM

going over each word suuuuper sloooowlyyy to make sure I'm getting across the thought

I don’t get that issue at all. I can very easily translate it into words and write it in discord for them

5:01 PM

If I get something wrong, I am able to tell

yknow that woulda been smarter

goddammit

5:02 PM

all this time I'm like "enunciate your words" and I coulda just written it out

That is a way to learn to stop leaning on it so much if that’s what you want

5:03 PM

I personally don’t see the point

although if I'm gonna front and talk to people irl I gotta learn to use my words anyway

5:03 PM

So it's not that big a loss

talk out loud to each other

5:04 PM

thats good practice

Using a mind voice and using the body’s voice are two completely separate skills

extra points for doing it in front of strangers

5:05 PM

i mean if you can possess/switch you can talk out loud

Oh god do not do that until you are solid with talking in a vc or something

(it was a joke lookingdownsmile

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wear an earpiece, talk in code

Someone once went up to Error at work and asked him something and he just like, froze, and looked like a fucking moron.

works especially well if you can do it in a language from a country that's currently on America's shitlist

That was years ago, that’s not a problem anymore but god, that happened quite a few times

"please be kind, I'm just an innocent tulpa"

we talked out loud to each other just a couple of days in, though she says i was easy to possess which sounds not very spooky at all

5:09 PM

she told me i was nice and limp then lol

limp host

i didnt really have any expectations so i guess thats why it was so easy

that tends to be the case

5:12 PM

especially with possession

5:12 PM

or fronting, or switching, whatever

blanka

works especially well if you can do it in a language from a country that's currently on America's shitlist

So every country /j

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Reisen

Luminesce: Oh wait, you have aphantasia right? (edited)

Yes.

5:43 PM

I can think in a mindvoice. My mind isn’t just blank.

5:44 PM

I also know what he sounds like—I believe I stated that above.

5:47 PM

Before everything, I sort of wrote a 19 page sheet as a foundation. From the beginning I simply saw it as “my assumptions” I told him this and read him the interview I made up near the end of the sheet. (I have to plan things to this extent unfortunately. Bad memory. Brain damage.) The specifics of what I said was “this is what I /believe/ you would say, but decide that for yourself. I figure you would find it amusing regardless.” (edited)

I know that I have been asking too many questions, but it is what it is. If I were to get hurt in an instance, would he also be affected? In that pain?